Anatomy of a Chinese scam

<Update 13th December>

Further to the information below, which you should read, because it took me ages. There is also a supplemental post here that relates to dealing with websites in China

http://firetrust.com/en/blog/chris/so-ya-wanna-deal-with-a-website-in-china

The full list of websites we think are dodgy can be seen here

http://www.firetrust.com/en/blog/chris/the-bigger-list-of-chinese-scams

<End Update>

 

Over the last three months I've spent a good amount of time on the web focusing on Chinese scams. In that time I've learned a great deal myself, and I think it's appropriate that I now convey what I've learned in a manner useful to you. It's my hope, that you can learn from this as well, and spread an awareness and knowledge that can improve your decision making processes with online dealings.
It's difficult writing for an audience you don't know much about. So I'm going to make some assumptions, and if anyone has anything to add, or feels I was too light or heavy on certain things, please let me know and I'll keep this posting updated. Special thanks to Rob for his assistance as well.

 

First, something I think is important for all of us to recognise, is we need to improve our decision making processes when dealing with companies online. I considered myself reasonably internet savvy three months ago, and in the time since, I've seen things that have left me shaking my head. There are very intelligent people working to deceive you. There are highly organised schemes, whose intent is to trick or mislead you. You should never assume for a moment that the internet is a safe place where no-one is ripped off. Internet crime and fraud is a multi billion dollar industry.

 

Second, I should point out I refer to the Chinese often, despite some of these websites not being in China at all. It's more of a colloquialism that I've developed when talking around the office. A vast majority of these websites are in China however, and I'm too lazy to change my slang.

 

Third, these tips and techniques are by no means only applicable to this particular kind of fraud. Perhaps it's just my curious nature, but I use these same techniques on many different kinds of websites. Even if I know that the website is 100% legitimate, I often do the same, or at least some of these steps. It's part of the learning process....practice, practice, practice. Over time you'll develop a sense of what looks good or not, and you'll also learn to spot trends and techniques that are used by differing websites.

 

Fourth, because of the nature of these websites it can be safe to make comparisons. What does that mean ? Well, (it's my understanding) a great number of these websites are actually purchased from parent companies. Apparently a template website can be purchased for around $600, and the purchaser (who could be anybody) in turn handles the process of taking the orders, and when you buy from these sites, they place the order with the parent company, then...in theory....send you the goods.
Now this brings up a whole lot of interesting complications, as it's clear that these parent companies couldn't care less what manner their goods are distributed. So the people who buy these websites have been found to spam heavily, to lie about the nature and quality of the goods, or in the worst cases, to not order anything at all and leave people out of pocket with no recourse for getting their money back. All of this is completely unacceptable, but thankfully the amateurism involved makes it that much easier to identify these websites. This also explains why we see sites that are virtually identical in appearance, but have different contact information, bank accounts etc..

 

Lastly. This posting is not designed to help you identify the difference between those who would send counterfeit items, and those who would just take the money. Don't bother even asking such a question, as it's a waste of my time.

 

 

Look at the website name

There's millions of websites out there, and as a result it stands to reason that people can't quite get the website name they might want. It's also understandable that those who are not particularly fluent in English may purchase a website name that they've translated from a term or phrase that makes more sense in their own language, but gets lost in translation.

Example
http://www.helloworldtrade.com
http://www.lovelyhope.com

It may be that the person buying the website doesn't even bother trying to make a name that makes sense.

Example
http://www.yyynnm.com
http://www.az168.com

 

Or it may be that people purchase names that mislead people into thinking that they are somehow official, or they choose a name similar to an existing legitimate company in an attempt to deceive.

Example
http://www.nikeolympic.com
http://www.nfl-trade.com

There can often not be a great deal of information within the website name, so this isn't a smoking gun, but it's always something to consider. What is the website name, how does it lend itself towards the company. What does it mean.

 

 

Whois searches

A Whois search allows you to view information relating to the owner of a domain name. There are plenty of tools available that allow you to do this, and obviously I use SiteHound.

I'll also refer to the website http://www.domaintools.com which has a simple and free web based search option. f you visit http://www.domaintools.com you will see a field age labelled "WhoIs Lookup". Simply enter the website name you wish to search and click on the "Search" button.
So if we look at some examples. I'll start with a search for firetrust.com http://whois.domaintools.com/firetrust.com
What you want to look at is the Registrant, as that is the person or company that the website is registered to. Here we see it's

Registrant:
FireTrust
PO Box 4620
Christchurch, n/a
New Zealand

Easy enough, if we also look at the Administrative Contact we see further contact details.


Administrative Contact:
Bolton, Nick
PO Box 4620
Christchurch, n/a n/a
New Zealand

One of the really useful pieces of information is the dates. Look at the dates the website was first registered, and when it expires. For sitehound.com we see this

Domain Name: FIRETRUST.COM
Created on: 01-Jul-02
Expires on: 01-Jul-08
Last Updated on: 16-Oct-07

What you want to look for is consistency, you want to look at the owners registered details and dates involved and see if they compare well to actual information presented on the website.

 

Here is the information as displayed in SiteHound

Firetrust Site Information

 

Let's compare that information, to information for a potentially dodgy site.
So we'll now look at elecsalon.com http://whois.domaintools.com/elecsalon.com

Registrant details are suspicious, as the address is lacking. I have no idea how many people in Beijing, but one would think you'd need more than a name and a postcode.

Registrant:
duan zhijie
beijing
100021
±±¾©

Administrative contact details raise some more flags, take a look at the phone/fax numbers that were provided.

Administrative Contact:
duan zhijie
duan zhijie
beijing
beijing Beijing 100021
CN
tel: 86 010 12345678
fax: 010 12345678

Now let's look at the dates

Registration Date: 2007-08-31
Update Date: 2007-08-31
Expiration Date: 2008-08-31

 

Again, the same information as displayed in SiteHound

Elecsalon Site Information

 

So this website (at the time of writing this) is only 39 days old. Now this might be fair enough, new companies pop up all the time.

 

Compare this to the website

Consider now though comparing what information you have so far to actual content on the website. We'll continue to look at elecsalon.com

A quick browse to this page, and we check out their contact information
http://elecsalon.com/info.asp?typename=contact
None of this matches the information we have, names, email addresses, phone numbers are all different than provided in the WhoIs results.

OK, what about these dates. Well, let's check out their About page http://elecsalon.com/info.asp?typename=about
There's one sentence in particular to look at "Now we have thousands of long term partners all over the world."

But the website is only 39 days old ? Thousands of long term partners ?
Now glance down to the bottom of the webpage, and you'll see this "Trade Online copyright@2006"

Confused ?

 

Quality of the website

Overall this website is lacking, certainly I would expect a far greater quality website from such a large and successful wholesaler. But start clicking on some links and we notice some oddities.
On the left of the page, click on the PayPal image and you get taken to their Payments page http://elecsalon.com/info.asp?typename=payment


Notice anything ?

There's no mention of PayPal, they also have a Visa icon on the left, but there's no proper use of Credit Cards for payment. They have an icon for a Credit Card, and they detail a bank account, but this is not a proper Credit Card transaction. If you made a payment from your Credit Card, into a bank account, your bank would clear those funds immediately for payment and you cannot get a refund or reverse credit card charges in this situation. Short version. None of these payment methods provide any kind of proper protection.

You may also see 'westernized' names, that are made up to make you feel more at ease.

 

Grammar and spelling quality

Back on the About page for elecsalon.com http://elecsalon.com/info.asp?typename=about


"We are dedicated to offering the best prices to the small orders, which traditionally can only be enjoyed by volumn order. All the possible ways of reducing the cost of order now is yours if you kindly choose us, since we do them for you. You may easily find out that, our prices are very surprising!"

Me speaky no English....you number one customer....you buy! you buy!.....I better stop there before I offend someone's sensitivities. If you aren't a great speller yourself, your computer has a spell checker, copy the text from the website, inject it into whatever program you have that can perform a spelling and grammar check, and see what comes back.

 

Web searches are your friend

I often search for the website name, so from your preferred search engine, go and type in elecsalon.com
Here's Google results http://www.google.co.nz/search?q=%22elecsalon.com%22&btnG=Search&hl=en which gives us almost nothing to work with.

The point here is that no historical evidence, no user discussion, should really give cause for concern. It may be too you find other people asking about websites, or discussing bad experiences they had. Don't think that no news is good news however. Reliable and honest internet companies will always reveal positive search results.

When searching you can also add words like "scam" or "fraud" to help refine your search.

 

Search for uniquely identifiable information

Another great way to investigate a website, is to take what should be unique information from that website and search on it. You would think, that the About page would contain unique information about the company, as every company is different.

So from the About page, http://elecsalon.com/info.asp?typename=about we'll take text and search on that
Here's the text I'll use in my search.

"is a wholesale group offering laptops, Digital cameras, videos, GPS, cellphone, mp4, game console and other electron products"

Here's the Google search results

Now, it's important to note when searching, that you should try placing the text within " " marks first, as that tells the search engine to only search for that exact phrase and not give you a lot of unrelated results.

We notice a couple of important things here, the first, is that elecsalon.com is missing from the search results, but more importantly, you get 6 other different websites that use that exact same text. 3 of these websites also appear to have been shutdown, or are no longer operation. If you were to repeat the above steps on these other websites, you'd realise there is a real pattern of deceit involved here.

 

Use of free services

Reliable and honest internet companies should not use free services for email. Hotmail, MSN, Yahoo, Gmail, should all be warning signs if they use that for their points of contact.

 

Buyer Protection

If the website doesn't offer secure forms of payment, or forms of payment that offer the buyer protection you should consider that a major warning sign. There are no excuses.

Do not pay by Money Order unless it's to a friend or someone you know you can trust. Money Orders are extremely common for fraudulent activity.
Do not pay by Bank Transfer unless it's to a friend or someone you know you can trust. Once the money has cleared your account it's gone, and you have little or no recourse to get it back.
Do not pay by Credit Card if you are paying into someone's bank account or purchasing a Money Order. Credit Cards are great for online transactions, but if you use the card to deposit into someone's bank account or fund a Money Order then it's treated as a Cash Advance from your Credit Card, which means that the funds sent to the account are sent as cleared funds which are unable to be stopped, as a result you are not protected.

Escrow is a common method of handling transactions, but you should always choose your own Escrow service, and not one that is recommended by the seller.

www.escrow.com is one of the more popular reliable Escrow services.

 

Western Union

Western Union is being used because it's totally anonymous and there's no way to recover the losses. Western Union itself has a warning/tip on their website that their service should only be used to send money to someone you know.

Taken from Western Union website

Sending money to someone you don't know? You could be at risk for consumer fraud.
The Western Union Money Transfer service is a great way to send money to people you know and trust. If you need to send money to someone you don't know well, you may be putting yourself at risk for fraud.

Because we care about consumers, Western Union urges you to protect yourself from fraud by considering the following:

  • Never send money to a stranger using a money transfer service.
  • Beware of deals or opportunities that seem too good to be true.
  • Don't use money transfer services to pay for things like online auction purchases.
  • Never send money to pay for taxes or fees on foreign lottery winnings.

 

 

Do not rely on third parties

Business to Business services such as Alibaba, TradeKey, and DHGate are common hunting grounds for the scammers. Many sellers (including the fraudsters) have a "Gold Supplier" Seal or something similar that is being obtained by the trading site. These "shiny" seals are more or less worthless though and prove nothing.

 

Consider what it is you are purchasing

There's simply no such thing as buying branded goods directly from the manufacturer in China. The companies who produce the product are bound by agreements with the brand owner and are not allowed to sell the products to just anybody. The brand owners, such as Sony, Nike etc...in turn have their own authorised distribution networks. If you are looking for branded product you should research and make an attempt to contact the brand itself and find out who are authorised partners. Some brands even detail this information on their websites.

 

Using Common Sense

I cannot stress this enough, if it's too good to be true, then it probably is. This sentence holds true in so many aspects of our lives, yet often when we sense a good deal or a chance to make a few bucks, we get greedy and we leave common sense at the door. It's useful to talk to friends, family or other peers as well, as they can often provide a reasonable balance. If they themselves aren't going to be benefiting from the experience whether it be an investment, online purchase...etc, you'll find that their judgement can be more objective than your own.

 

Final Say

There is no one thing that's going to answer all your questions. But with a little bit of investigation, with some proper consideration, and with some common sense, you should hopefully be better equipped to make the right decisions. You should always look at the smaller clues to paint the bigger picture, and not let your own greed cloud your judgement.

If in doubt, be cautious and don't let yourself become just another victim.

 

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Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Thu, 2007-10-11 21:07.

I almost got reamed by one of these scams...like u said, I thought i saw a golden opportunity, and i left my logic at the door...no more

Submitted by anis (not verified) on Fri, 2007-10-12 15:23.

hi my my name is anis , and y am in france , i need your help beacause i want uy a laptop from this website :
www.gteno.com , i want know if its a scam or not , and if its serieous , and if y can reciev my goods from it !

thank you very much for your help

Submitted by chris on Thu, 2007-10-18 04:28.
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Wed, 2007-11-07 01:45.

100% it,s a scam.
samir

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Fri, 2007-10-12 16:41.

Please, Tell me what do You think about elelstor.com and if they use to play the bad games with clients, what can I do for stopping them.
Regards.

Submitted by chris on Thu, 2007-10-18 04:28.
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Fri, 2007-10-12 19:21.

very good chris.a simple but effective way of solving the problem.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Tue, 2007-10-16 04:35.

chris your so good and im so thankful for all the info you gave,i wish i have read this blog before i got victimized.

Submitted by isa (not verified) on Tue, 2007-10-16 19:09.

i ordered from www.myieshop.com scam i paided by paypal for a camera for 600 they emailed me back and said to send money by western union cause it is being holded for tariff taxes i declined to pay they never sent back my money good thing i used paypal i called my credit card company they went after them gave back my money do not do business with them they WILL NOT SEND YOU THE GOODS anyone have any verified sites and i will give you a verified seller

Submitted by DAVE (not verified) on Sat, 2007-10-20 15:44.

HI I SEEN EBYZZ.COM ON THE LIST, HOWEVER I HAVE NOT SEEN ANY COMMENTS ON ABOUT THIS SITE. I HAVE PLACED AN ORDER WITH THEM ALREADY HOWEVER I HAVE YET TO GET MY ITEMS. THEY STILL RESPOND TO MY EMAILS. THE REASON FOR ME NOT GETTING ITEM YET IS THERE IS A 770.00 DOLLAR CUSTOMS FEE. IM NOT FOR SURE BUT I THINK THIS IS A FRAUD ALSO. WHAT DO YOU THINK OR WHAT DO YOU KNOW ABOUT EBYZZ? THANKS!!

Submitted by chris on Thu, 2007-10-25 02:56.

I think so too.  You don't pay fees to the exporting country, they are paid (if required) to the country of destination.  They reply to your emails because they are trying to get more money from you.

Submitted by Hadro (not verified) on Sat, 2007-11-24 02:56.

Please make a simple search at google.com by typing www.ebyzz.com, there are a lot of sites making a reference to this site as an scam or fraudulent site.

If you made a wire transfer, talk with your bank and see what they can do. Same applies for your credit card company.

Next time make sure they would have any representative office un the US or they accept paypal payments.

Good luck!

Hadro

Submitted by waspie77 (not verified) on Sun, 2007-10-21 21:33.

If found one who isn't in your list yet...
all names from china but IP from illinois usa.

www.manypsp.com

Submitted by chris on Thu, 2007-10-25 02:57.

Thanks, adding to the list.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Thu, 2008-01-03 01:32.

hi i read what you said about manypsp.com, i wish i read it sooner i just sent them money, did this happen to you? are they really in america? thanks,

Frank

Submitted by Emily (not verified) on Tue, 2007-10-23 10:15.

Beware of www.tradesm.com, this website is a scam! I would like you to put it on your scams list. I ordered stock for $1,228. They told me that customs didnt let the packages through and demanded another $200 for shipping! This arguing went back and forth for 2 weeks, until I asked another suppier if there is anything I can do to recover my money, she stated that if customs hold packages they return all shipping costs to the supplier!!! Fujian ShengMei International Trade. Ltd is the Company name they use, which in fact is not listed, and the phone number on the website doesnt exist.Fujian ShengMei International Trade. Ltd is a SCAM.

Submitted by chris on Thu, 2007-10-25 02:53.

Thanks Emily, adding to the list.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Tue, 2008-04-22 23:36.

Hi, Please add tom-ele.com on your List, I got scam by them & lost almost $1,000 . They told me to pay by Western Union . I told them I can pay by Paypal , but they said It cost them alot , Western union is easy & they can ship my good's in one week . Which I never received it yet .!!!!!! :*(:(:( ( I prayer some one get them soon ).!

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Tue, 2007-10-23 22:44.

Hi, How trustworthy is DHGate? Has anyone used it before?
Chris are you able to give any advice please?
Thanks

Submitted by chris on Thu, 2007-10-25 02:52.

DHGate is just a medium to introduce you to others.  My advice is do not pay for any goods using unsecured methods.   My understanding is DHGate offer some kind of Escrow service to prevent scammers abusing their site, which is probably worth strong consideration.

Submitted by elizabeth (not verified) on Mon, 2007-11-12 19:22.

I recently got scammed out of £2500. Money was paid through dhgate but once your goods are received you only have 2 days to open a dispute if you are not satisfyed or have been scammed before they release the money to the seller. When i tried to open the dispute the site did not respond to this and when i tried to contact dhgate there was no response so i have to assume that this scam artists have found a way of blocking your efforts to communicate with dhgate or they're part of the scam as the money was released to the seller as i couldnt get through to them and i still have not had any response so i wouldnt trust using them for the escrow service

Submitted by Mike G. (not verified) on Wed, 2007-10-24 15:52.

I found two website: www.eccvv.com and www.eeccvv.com I did order items from www.eccvv.com and seller said they shipped products out, but I got no tracking number. I'm gettting worried now. The www.eeccvv.com looks professional, but not sure can I trust them. Anyone order things from them before...

Submitted by chris on Thu, 2007-10-25 02:50.

I think you have every reason to be worried.

It's also confusing, so bear with me.

 

http://www.eccvv.com - This website appears offline for me, can you double check the website name.

http://www.eeccvv.com - Adding this website to the list.

 

Both these website name are also strikingly similar to http://www.ecvv.com which is a legitimate Business to Business website (though be extremely cautious still, as scammers do frequent the site)

 

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Mon, 2007-10-29 21:53.

have you heard anything or seen anything back from this website because i was about to order things from there.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Mon, 2007-11-26 14:34.

I have recently purchased items from eeccvv.com - I received a tracking number for EMS but it was not working so I contacted them to find out what had happened - they got back to me the day after to update me. At first I was very worried believing myself to have been conned, however, I did get a tracking number. The number showed that my package was at the Chinese port. The next day I had a look again to double check that everything was ok and my tracking number had been changed to a TNT one. When I had a look using this tracking number my package was in the UK - hooray. They did send something - it arrived today so I will find out if it is the genuine products I ordered (I obviously really hope so). I will post back tomorrow to let you know what happened and whether I have been sent genuine goods.

Submitted by pandora (not verified) on Thu, 2007-12-13 18:31.

Hi
So did you get the staff that you order and it is all 100% original no replicas? can you reply me for pandorabox_@hotmail.co.uk. because they really have cheap staff in eeccvv.com but i don't know if i can trust.
Thanks alot
regards

Submitted by Nickos (not verified) on Wed, 2007-10-24 22:27.

Hi there.I would really appreciate if you could give me your advise about a company based in Shanghai China called : Leage Non woven Products Co.,Ltd.I'm planing to make a deal with them (buy a big amount of there product) and I would really like to know if I can trust them.

Submitted by chris on Thu, 2007-10-25 02:45.

I presume this is the website you mean http://www.leage.cn ? 

I'm suspicious but not so much so that I would say to stay away.   The biggest question is can you pay using a method that offers you protection, such as Escrow.   Protecting yourself, particularly with large orders and companies you've not dealt with before is vital.

Submitted by royston reid (not verified) on Thu, 2007-10-25 00:10.

i was ripped off by focus900.com to the tune of 5000usd by wang zhan shirfrenk lily if thats their name everything was going well until they got my money me and my friend never heard anything from them again but we established new contact through another email and they replied in a heartbeat and still taking orders but we are still toying with them even this very moment they need to be stopped

Submitted by chris on Thu, 2007-10-25 02:38.

Be sure to file a Police complaint too

Submitted by cathy (not verified) on Sat, 2008-01-12 02:22.

did you do anything since this?Because I thinkI have been another victim of them, but I am not sure. do you know more peopleof this page?

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Thu, 2007-10-25 10:08.

Hi all,

I was taken in by www.gteno.com and agreed to buy a LCD TV, which was at an amazing price. I know that china has a lot of fake companies but this company seemed to be different as they sent me there company registration certificate, which was in chinese and they had an answer to all my questions which seemed to me to be genuine.

I sent the money via Western Union and the company get me informed via e-mail the status of my order. After 4 working days from when the money was sent i got an e-mail saying that the item is in the hands of the CIQ (i believe it to be customs) and i have to pay extra money to release the item so it can reach the UK.

I asked them to give me the tracking number of my item and i'll contact the CIQ direct and clear my item but the company refused to give me any details and insisted that i send them the money via western union.

Does anyone know if i can get my money back by reporting it to the police? I have all the details of the person.

Submitted by chris on Tue, 2007-10-30 02:01.

Probably not, but file a complaint with local Police.  Money Orders are only good for sending money to people you know and trust, like family members.

 

Submitted by Nak (not verified) on Sat, 2007-10-27 13:29.

Hi,
Is Jinsanyang trading Co.,Ltd (www.jsytrade.com) legit? I couldn’t find it on your list.
Shame that I couldn’t find this site earlier since I already sent them $980 already via Western Union.
They told me that the product couldn’t pass Australian customs the first time, so they would have to resend it with a different carrier. I’m still currently waiting for the outcome.
How likely do you think it is for me to actually receive the products from this company? Or have I just lost $980 to a deceiving scammer?
Please kindly help me!!!!
Thank you!

Submitted by chris on Tue, 2007-10-30 02:04.

I think you've lost your money, perhaps they are just stalling, or they'll ask for more money soon.  Adding this site to the list.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Wed, 2007-10-31 21:47.

Hi, mate

I was thinking of getting some things off them so im looking into them hence thats wht im here! why whats happerned and how long has it been since you first ordered?

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Wed, 2007-11-07 10:18.

Hi,you got a problem with www.jsytrade.com. It is alredy solved now?? Because I sent them $850 two days ago and I still didn´t received any answer or tracking number. Please send me Your answer on kajan@elson.sk Thank You very much.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Mon, 2007-11-12 20:24.

Yes. They are crooks. Took my son-in-law for £400.

Who was your contact there?

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sat, 2007-11-17 01:50.

I past the same with www.jsytrade.com, they send me the 2 little chinesse cups, the contact of this company is Linda.

Does someone knows a real page or contact in china for phones supplies?

thanks
G

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sat, 2007-11-17 00:04.

HI buy a notebook from send www.jsytrade.com using wester union $650.00, they send me the tracking number and when the package arrive was 2 little chinesse cups that the prices is not more the 2 USD..

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sun, 2007-10-28 13:10.

Anyone heard of www.shenlitoday.com? I have ordered some ipods and received a tracking #. I'm not if that tracking # really have my products or someone else products. Is there a away to find out?

Submitted by chris on Tue, 2007-10-30 02:06.

Looks like a scam to me.  The website was only created on 13th September this year.

 

Adding to the list. 

Submitted by Waspie77 (not verified) on Sun, 2007-10-28 13:30.

I suppose you've been scammed...the site you refer to is www.Jsytrade.com. If you check it in the domain tool, you will see it only excists since 06/10/2007 and ends on same date next year...so the site only excists since 14 days...I hope for you it ins't a scam, but it looks like it....

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sat, 2007-11-10 03:54.

I am trying to get the word out......do not deal with this company called jsytrade.com - they are scammers. They cheated us out of $1600. and sent us 2 $5.00 vases so we had a package to stupidly track. DON'T DEAL WITH JSYTRADE.COM, JINSANYANG TRADING COMPANY OR TRADEKEY.COM

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Mon, 2007-10-29 16:51.

hi i want to order from elelstor...the woman is talking to me and she sounds good

what you think

thanks

Submitted by chris on Tue, 2007-10-30 02:10.

Isn't this site already on the list ?  www.elelstor.com ?

But like you say, the woman sounds good, and if that isn't conclusive evidence that the site is legit I don't know what is :)

Seriously though, if you've read the guide and you're still asking these questions, there is nothing more I can do to help you. 

Submitted by Nav (not verified) on Mon, 2007-10-29 18:47.

Hi everyone

Can anybody HELP if I have paid for goods via Bank of china last year and was sent all my goods as promised, no problem. Then a few months later stock was being sent back to me from my customers as most of them were faulty. I returned them to the supplier and he has only given me half the goods back. Im in a deficit of 4500US$ (value of goods)with this company but they said to me that they will only pay me 1250US$ to settle but I have also paid 800US$ for returning the items to them from UK and because they did not clear customs I had to go to Shenzhen to clear it at a cost of 2000US$. So in total I need back 7300US$ from these people. Whats worrying is that they are still operating today and have conned a few other people. My initial order with this company was 22000US$ back in July 2006. If anyone can help then please let me know as I will reward you.

Submitted by chris on Tue, 2007-10-30 02:14.

My advice is go over to www.thewholesaleforums.co.uk and try asking there, as their membership is more knowledgeable about these kinds of things.  

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Mon, 2007-10-29 21:20.

hey chris about these sites..

www.watrade.com
www.multimedia-ele.com

Submitted by chris on Tue, 2007-10-30 02:17.

First site is already in the list, second will be added, tis no way it's legit.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Tue, 2007-10-30 00:22.

Hi, why do you say www.bobhiphop.com and www.fumingapparel.com is scam? And can you please check if www.nikedoo.com , www.nike800.com and www.helloworldtrade.com is a scam for me? Thank you

Submitted by chris on Tue, 2007-10-30 02:20.

I explain quite plainly why sites are listed, I even asked people to stop asking why :)

Maybe you missed that part.

www.nikedoo.com and www.nike800.com will be added to the list.

 

 

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Tue, 2007-10-30 03:54.

I understand. But can you take out lists that sell counterfeit items? Cause most of us are lookin to buy counterfeit. I would appreciate if you could put specials signs for websites that are scams and website that sell counterfeit.

Submitted by chris on Tue, 2007-10-30 03:57.

No, you clearly do not understand.

What possible reason could I have to try and split these lists so that people can buy illegal product ?   As far as I'm concerned, if you are prepared to buy conterfeit product, you deserve to be scammed.

Submitted by Rob@fraudwatchers (not verified) on Tue, 2007-10-30 19:33.

1. There's no way to find out which sellers simply keep your money and which one sell "real counteifeit" items. Why? Well, as you surely know, it is illegal to buy/sell counterfeit goods, the scammers don't advertise that publicly.

2. Even *if* (!) you find a scammer who really ships the counterfeit goods, you'll most likely end up with legal trouble (and without your items) when you'll have to open the parcel at customs.

Submitted by Tishana (not verified) on Mon, 2008-01-21 05:01.

I shop from www.nike800.com all the time and have NEVER had a problem. I'm not sure why they are on this list. The owner has been nothing but good to me. Were there any other complaints about this site from anyone out there?

Submitted by Tristan (not verified) on Thu, 2008-01-31 04:42.

I've ordered many clothing items from Jason at fumingapparel.com, i've never had a problem with them, always got items in about a week.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Tue, 2008-02-12 01:48.

Dont mess with www.solesold.com either, shit's a scam chinese bitches

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Wed, 2008-05-14 23:41.

solesold.com got my ass 2

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Tue, 2007-10-30 20:49.

Good web site! i have been getting some of these from
the site below. I saw the typos and for one ad I posted, they
spammed me with over 10 of the replies below. Please ad to your
list and keep up the good work.

Thanks,
- Jack

"Dear fridnds:
We are a wholesaler which deal with elec-tro-nic product,
such as: Mo-bile,T-V,P-C,D-V,D-C,games,MP-3 Even mo-tor-cycles and
mu-sical in-struments.sending items by EMS to our customers around the world,
we have good coorpation relationships with many international customers friends,
we could accept payment of paypal and BANK
welcome to our website and enjoy your purchase

the fellowing is our historical tracking number which we had sent to our customers
EA852009642CN EA905384735CN EA837038479CN EA919717251CN
EA919689445cn EA919716582cn EA919716596cn EA919717279CN
EA919716565cn EA918567391CN ,keeping happy realationship
email: myieshop@hotmail.com
MSN: myieshop@hotmail.com
website: www myieshop com
your faithfully"

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Tue, 2008-01-15 16:30.

DON'T EVER SEND MONEY OR DO ANY BUSINESS WITH PERSON NAME :LIU JIE, SHULING LAN, CHEN LI...MIKE,OR WHATEVER NAME WHO LIKE TO GET ON YAHOO MSN, THOSE ARE THE ONE ON MYIESHOP.COM, EBYBOC.COM, LYSHOP, OKVSHOP, ELE-EXPORT,.... WHO WORK FOR LE WANG AND ARE SCAMMERS WHO JUST PRETEND TO GIVE YOU REAL TRACKING NUMBERS AND MAKE THE PACKAGE UNABLE TO REACH YOU BY ENTER THEIR WRONG INFORMATION SO UNABLE TO DELIVER TO YOU AND WILL BE RETURNED TO THEM, AND THAT'S THE ENDING OF THEIR CONTACT TO YOU. PLEASE BE AWARE AS Í'M ONE OF THEIR VICTIM. EVEN IF THEY DID DELIVER TO SOME CUSTOMERS THE PRODUCTS ARE NO GOOD DONT BE FOOL BY THOSE HISTORY TRACKING NUMBERS DELIVER BY EMS. THEY ALWASY TRY TO GET MORE MONEY FROM YOU BY ASKING FOR CUSTOMS,THERE'RE NO SUCH CUSTOM DUTIES IF THE SENDERS ARE REAL. PLEASE WATCH OUT AS i WILL POST MORE ALERT TO PEOPLE ON EBAY AND ON ANY OTHER WEBSITE AND WILL CONTACT THE FBI CHINA POLICE. THOSE ARE REAL SCAMMERS WHO TOOK ALOT OF PEOPLE MONEY AND CREATE MANY MANY WEBSITE WHO INTRODUCE AS LARGE ELECTRONIC COMPANY

Submitted by sammy (not verified) on Sat, 2007-11-03 12:54.

hi came across this guy name jason trying to get some headphone stuff from him but he kept changing his price.at first payment by tt or western union but i request paypal he say ok.his msn is jasonchenjiageng@hotmail.com.what do you thin.

sammy

Submitted by chris on Mon, 2007-11-05 00:28.

Thats not really much information to work with, so I really can't say much.  It sounds suspicious though.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Tue, 2007-11-06 03:28.

Bj communications in norfolk, england is a scam too. It's not the bj communications that most people know of; there's this group of scammers who are using this company's name and i've been cheated of 240usd by them..they required me to make payment of 1200usd as they've sent me 6 items instead of 1 item which i wanted. They claimed that their export manager made a mistake and their ceo threatened to sack them.

Submitted by chris on Tue, 2007-11-06 03:34.

Is there a website involved ?

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Thu, 2007-11-08 12:42.

what about this site
www.sneakerswholesale.com
www.nike4wholesale.com

Submitted by chris on Thu, 2007-11-22 03:20.

Wow, sorry for the delay on replying.

 

Both these sites don't seem to be operating anymore, so that would answer the question :)

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Fri, 2007-11-09 06:40.

I just thought I'd let you know about how I got scammed. the wierest thing happened. I emailed them and told them the product hadn't arrived. They said, thats ok, well send another one. They sent another package, I tracked it online, I went and picked it up and bam. it was vases instead of electronics.
I was an idiot, but that is still pretty wierd. Why would they send anything, and why respond to my email? it all seems like fuzzy logic to me.
for the record, it was dahuitrade that did it.

Submitted by chris on Thu, 2007-11-22 03:18.

In some instances they are sending different goods as they can provide a tracking number and also proof of delivery.  There is a guy who posted a while ago that PayPal wouldn't chargeback as the scammers had proof they delivered the goods.

 

Someone else also indicated a purchase of 50 pairs of shoes, they were instead sent 5 single old and dirty shoes.

 

Weirdos. 

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sat, 2007-11-10 18:17.

i just got scammed by www.buyerwelt.com....please add to ur list

Submitted by chris on Thu, 2007-11-22 03:15.

It's already there, but then I've been slack catching up on all the comments so I might have added it since you posted.

 

Cheers 

Submitted by ct (not verified) on Sun, 2007-11-11 18:35.

will i'm just tryin to see if nike800.com is real site that you can buy from so need to know like right now?

Submitted by ryan (not verified) on Tue, 2008-05-13 15:24.

i am also someone who needs to know about nike800.com. sommeone pleASE call 9375324471 and let me know. thanks

Submitted by ct (not verified) on Sun, 2007-11-11 19:00.

can you tell me if nike800.com is not a site that you can order from

Submitted by chris on Thu, 2007-11-22 03:15.

This website is already in the list

Submitted by Gavin Armitage (not verified) on Mon, 2007-11-12 10:23.

Thanks for the info on Chinese Scams, I was considering buying products from

www.nikedoo.com & all the common sense tips & advice you've given has highlighted that they are operating a scam.
Once the haze of greed lifted & I researched into the company it was apparent very quickly they were operating a scam.
Another tip I used. I looked them up in the chinese yellow pages & they weren't listed.

Gavin

Submitted by Rob (not verified) on Fri, 2008-02-22 14:21.

In reply to Gavin Armitage regarding nikedoo.com -

When you say they are operating a scam do you mean that they are selling counterfeits or that they will not send any goods at all?

Thanks.

Submitted by Alex (not verified) on Tue, 2007-11-13 02:01.

Stay away from this site and their people.

www.sellchinashoes.com

Nasa Trading Co.

Good luck and happy business.
Sincerly yours,
Zhihong Zhang
Director,Nasa Trading Co.,Ltd.
Putian City,Fujian Province,China
Email: sellchinashoes@yahoo.com.cn
MSN: sellchinashoes004@hotmail.com
Product Catalog: www.sellchinashoes.com

Submitted by chris on Thu, 2007-11-22 03:14.

Thanks, adding to the list.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Tue, 2007-11-13 12:39.

I think I got scammed by a site called SELLERHOT.COM , have you heard of them before ?

Submitted by chris on Thu, 2007-11-22 03:13.

This website is already in the list

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Wed, 2007-11-14 16:35.

It's very sad but:

- you can't stop them, can't go after them
- if you paid with WU or wire transfer, you can't get your money back
- if you paid with PayPal you 'may' get it back or partially get it back

The best way to go is using escrow service with minimum 2 days inspection. You will see that as soon as you talk escrow services, they refuse to sell unless they are a legit company.

Submitted by MayDay (not verified) on Wed, 2007-11-14 19:50.

I was scammed by www.nyqbw.com. It's a pity I found this very usefull site too late.

Do someone knows something about www.freedata.com.cn?
They send me t\t proforma invoice where in beneficiary field is Freedata Technology Co., Limited.
Can I trust them in that case or may be they are scammers also.
Thank you.

Submitted by chris on Thu, 2007-11-22 03:13.

That's a good thing though right, as usually we see them addressed to a personal account.

I see no reason to list/block this site, but I'm very cautious still.

Have a read of this post, it's translated from German, but you'll get the just of it 

Submitted by D Jackson (not verified) on Thu, 2007-11-15 20:10.

Can you please tell me if this website is a scam voguebagworld.com Contact name Jize Lin from GuangZhou,China, tony91818@hotmail.com,voguebagworld@gmail.com.
This is all of the information for their website.

Submitted by chris on Thu, 2007-11-22 03:06.

This website is already in the list.

Submitted by Keisha77 (not verified) on Thu, 2008-01-17 16:25.

Did anyone purchase something from voguebagworld.com before.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Wed, 2008-02-13 18:38.

Can you please tell me if this website is a scam voguebagworld.com Contact name Jize Lin from GuangZhou,China, tony91818@hotmail.com,voguebagworld@gmail.com.
This is all of the information for their website

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Fri, 2008-05-02 21:20.

I Ordered From Their Site just now, and they gave me a tracking number so i hope they send something.

Submitted by Sharon (not verified) on Sat, 2007-11-17 02:49.

Hi,

I really appreciate this site exposing these scandulous chinese scammers! I just came across this website yesterday, and wish i had seen this sooner as i have just been scammed out of $600 from website www.aceishop.com. I had ordered for a laptop from them, two days later they sent me a FAKE tracking number, i ask them about it and they say because the website hasn't been updated yet, then the next day yadayadayada... this person i was talking to on gmail email/chat right up until a few days ago, i literally saw her change their website address right in front of my eyes, aceishop@hotmail.com no longer works and i never heard from them again. Then she tell me no, the money wasn't sent to me, but to someone in Canada, she even gave me this person's email address, and i DID actually talk to this person on MSN messenger, who is *supposedly* knows this person i ordered from and is confused as to why i sent the money to him. I even paid through Paypal, so i'm in a dispute over this right now and hope i get the money back soon. So right now i'm out of $1,800 as Paypal froze my account, so i'm just at a loss trying to deal with all this, and Paypal may never even refund the money back to me either, as i've heard of them being pretty scanduluos too! Also don't deal with ieashop.com either! They never send you anything, my friend was just scammed from them, they keep trying to have you send more & more money for taxes fee, shipping etc etc!! I HATE these people who do this.

Submitted by chris on Thu, 2007-11-22 03:05.

Yeah, my impression is that PayPal certainly aren't backing their buyers, and they could be doing much more to stop this from happening.

 

Submitted by Conny from Holland (not verified) on Sun, 2007-11-18 21:52.

Hi,

Thank u for your blog. And also that I read it before purchasing from a scammer.
I found another one www.chinagoodsupplier.com

I anatomized the site and I think that they are attached to ebay23.com.

Keep up the good work, it helps a lot of people.

Greetings Conny

Submitted by chris on Thu, 2007-11-22 03:03.

Thanks Conny, adding to the list

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Wed, 2007-11-21 03:53.

Hello Dear Chris.

Thanks for this site, I found it before I sent 2000$ to Trade-blog.com

I was very suspicous about sending my money to them... Still the person I talk to is a very nice person. Seen her on Webcam, talked to her beside the business, so I'm not sure.

The site has been up for a long time "www.trade-blog.com" and a friend bought something from there 9 months ago, like 1 pair of jeans. I wonder if this site is serious or not? I have no clue what to do. I really want to buy some stuff from there but after I saw their site name on your scamlist, I felt very unsecure what to do.

I really need some good advices, you seem to be a very smart and helpfull person, I would be very thankfull if you could help me out with some usefull information. Anyone here bought anything from them? Got scammed? Are they real? Fake? Very thankful for fast help..
Thanks

Submitted by chris on Wed, 2007-11-21 04:11.

Flattery will get you everywhere :)

 

There is no way the goods they are offering are legitimate.  As a result even if they do send the goods, you could well lose them to customs. The website has been registered since 2005, but the website registration details are significantly lacking, no phone or fax numbers, no proper address...it's all too vague.

 

I also don't trust their payment methods, they do say Credit Card, however likely this would just be a deposit from your Credit Card to their Bank Account, which offers you no protection if something goes wrong (as your Credit Card provider clears the funds immediately).

 

Because of this, regardless of your friends experience, my personal advice would be to avoid it.  You simply aren't protected enough, and would be putting all that money at risk.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Wed, 2007-11-21 21:06.

WWW.BRAND-SEA.COM

SCAMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

Submitted by chris on Thu, 2007-11-22 03:02.

Thanks, Adddding to the list.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sat, 2007-11-24 14:55.

I don't know but it looks like a scam

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Wed, 2007-11-21 22:11.

Looks like they make a realy good mooney! I'm sorry for U guys. Better luck next time :-)

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Thu, 2007-11-22 03:30.

Hey Chris. Thanks for your answer.

But if it would be a scam site, how come they are still up after 2 years? I don't understand that. I used that program you have on the site and it showed phone numbers - The owner of the site has 21 other domains. I couldnt see which (no premium account there) would be very intrested if I could find out that.

So tempting, but I'm not stupid enough (No offense people). We all use to get toooo greedy sometimes. Cheers Chris!

Submitted by chris on Thu, 2007-11-22 03:34.

Can you let me know which site you are referring too, as this comment hasn't been posted as a reply so I'm not sure which original post this is for.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Thu, 2007-11-22 03:59.

Www.Trade-blog.com

Got yahoo or msn?

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Thu, 2007-11-22 15:04.

Soho-trade.com same owner as for trade-blog.com maybe you want to add that to the list, anyway thank you for a GREAT blog!

Submitted by chris on Fri, 2007-11-23 02:45.

Will do, cheers.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Thu, 2007-11-22 16:08.

Hi Chris,
can you please tell me if this website is a scam: putraprima.com?

Submitted by chris on Fri, 2007-11-23 02:45.

It's doesn't look very legitimate. dates don't match up.

The won't accept Credit Card for international orders.

 

Another complaint here too

 

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Mon, 2007-12-17 02:06.

Please read http://www.google.co.id/search?hl=id&q=putraprima.com+scam&btnG=Telusuri&meta=

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sun, 2007-11-25 16:24.

check this site http://www.zgcgetc.com what do you reckon?

Submitted by chris on Mon, 2007-12-03 03:38.

I reckon it's fake.  Dodgy address, phone numbers and only two weeks old.

Submitted by Anshumali (not verified) on Sun, 2007-11-25 23:25.

Reputed B2B sourcing marketplaces like DHgate routinely publish the names of scamsters on their bulletins and blogs. They also have dedidacetd account managers who will help you out of the mess if you do get entangled with one on their site. Besides their escrow account is 100% safety for your money. Trade safe, trade smart on DHgate!

Submitted by chris on Mon, 2007-12-03 03:37.

Yeah I must admit DHGate seems to be getting a lot better.   But they took far too long to react, and it was a reaction, not a proactive step.  I don't understand why they took so long and why they did not protect their members properly from the start.

Time will tell just how good DHGate can protect it's membership. 

Submitted by riz007 (not verified) on Wed, 2007-12-12 16:48.

hi
i can proof you dhgade are 100% scamer
i was place an order on dhgade so they tell me before i place the order check this wholesaler jimmywholesale.com so i was very impres their product was more cheaper than dhgade, well i deside to order from jimmywholesale.com and they scams me 590USD DOLLAR
how could you trust those evil

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Mon, 2007-11-26 04:50.

II recieved my products from www.hiphopyard.com just for clarficication

Submitted by chris on Mon, 2007-12-03 03:34.

Yeah, but fake items are lame :)

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Mon, 2007-11-26 08:09.

xinqitrade.com,shoesee.com,nikehunt86.com are they legit

Submitted by chris on Mon, 2007-12-03 05:40.

Counterfeit junk

 

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Mon, 2007-11-26 21:46.

Hi has anyone heard of ebaymachant.com? They send me lots of emails about how they have great deals on electronics and what not but I see their name on the list above. I receive emails from them through a hotmail account, and they refuse payment by anything other than western union or moneygram, but their website claims they accept other methods. When you email them they send an email explaining that they "no longer use paypal" because it is "not in their best interest". Have other complaints been received about this company?

Submitted by chris on Mon, 2007-12-03 03:33.

I think it's pretty obvious what these guys are about :)

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Wed, 2007-11-28 10:23.

Hi I am extremely happy that I found this forum, now I see how much scam are here in internet. Recently I have been fooled by buybestshoes.com - never buy anything from this people, please.

Submitted by Eric From OH (not verified) on Thu, 2007-11-29 08:20.

Hello Chris,
I have read through your list and site. I have a question about a couple of websites that seem legit. I did receive a very good products from them. Maybe you or someone else can take a second look before I place a large order.
www.watchsir.com , www.colapin-bag.com , www.colapin.com (All are the same company selling different products).

www.watcheseller.com , www.super925.com , www.bizplaza.cn

My hope is that if they are legit, people can use and trust them.

Thank you

Submitted by chris on Mon, 2007-12-03 05:41.

It's all counterfeit junk though ?

 

Submitted by Javi (not verified) on Fri, 2007-11-30 04:46.

IS www.go-go-buy.com a scam site?

Submitted by chris on Mon, 2007-12-03 03:30.

Very scammy, it's like a week old, phone numbers using 1234567 etc...

Thanks for letting me know, adding to the list. 

Submitted by Dave Lindstrom (not verified) on Fri, 2007-11-30 17:05.

Chris,

By reading your website I was able to stop a friend from losing 2600 Euro to a scammer (BHAREA.com) for a high end videocamera. I just wanted to say thanks...keep up the good work, you are making a difference.

r/Dave

Submitted by chris on Mon, 2007-12-03 03:29.

Hey

 

And their website has been suspended too :)  So it's just good news all round. 

Submitted by Jose Osío (not verified) on Sat, 2007-12-01 20:28.

Hi Chris:

What do you think about this page, looks like a scam to me. They are selling me a playstation 3 80GB HD for 360 euros, if I buy 5 or more costs reduces to 329 euros, and they also offer the shipping and handling from Beijing China to Caracas Venezuela for only 50 euros and one week. I already check out and is in the list. Be careful with this kind of pages.

Submitted by chris on Mon, 2007-12-03 03:28.

Yeap, I see no reason to trust http://itsever.com

 

 

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sun, 2007-12-02 02:02.

Hey Chris thanks for this site wish I would have found it before I was scamed by these gooks excuse the expression....ecsales02@hotmail.com and the same person uses ecspy01@hotmail.com I paid them 500 through paypal and I only use a credit card with paypal.They told me they had an order I sent to them of NFL jerseys and the next day when I paid them they told me they didnt have them and that the boss is going to refund me,but we know how that went,thanks again and keep up the good work,wish there was a way to get back at them.

Submitted by chris on Mon, 2007-12-03 03:24.

You should be able to contact your Credit Card provider and see if they'll reverse teh charge.   That's assuming too PayPal won't offer you any assistance.

Submitted by Christopher Park (not verified) on Mon, 2007-12-03 02:04.

Hi Chris,

Firstly, great work! I nearly fell into the trap. What I would really like to know is do you know of any LEGITIMATE suppliers from China from who I can buy electronic goods from? Im situated in Australia.

Thanks

Submitted by chris on Mon, 2007-12-03 03:22.

I don't deal with legitimate companies.  Try over at http://www.thewholesaleforums.co.uk for advice or tips on finding a good supplier.

Submitted by Dalvakio (not verified) on Tue, 2007-12-04 20:12.

Hi Chris. Youd better add them two sites to your list
www.oputbuy.com
www.goshop2008.com

the same type of scam artist twats, very nice via email, responding immediately 24/7. I placed an order for over 500 euros, and I asked them for invoice. They send me a picture of a paperwork, with chinese stamps and all the information. I can post it to you if you want to have a look. Thanks to your work I was not their victim. Cheers and keep up the good work!!

Submitted by chris on Thu, 2007-12-06 03:32.

Thanks will add.

And sure, fire the pictures through to Support : Attention Chris

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Tue, 2007-12-04 22:30.

will i get my items from the website www.chinatowngift.com i just want to now if i will recieve it

Submitted by chris on Thu, 2007-12-06 03:33.

No way this site is selling legit products, so adding to the list.

Will you get them if you still order ?  I have no idea,

Will add the site to the list 

Submitted by Toronto C (not verified) on Wed, 2007-12-05 15:31.

I'm impressed by how well written and thorough this website is, kudos to you and all the hard work you've put in Chris.

Like yourself I have always considered myself a savvy internet buyer. Unlike you however I have differing views on counterfeit products. While I would never attempt to purchase electronic goods from China, I see no problem buying a pair of Nike SHOX for $35 (provided the buyer is willing to sacrifice comfort). Or likewise buying a pair of Armani Sunglasses for $12.

While I understand these goods may be "fake", I can afford to buy 5 excellent looking Nike Shox or 20 pairs of designer sunglasses before being able to buy one real item.

I Don't need 20 pairs of sunglasses or five pairs of shoes, a couple are more than sufficient, with all the extra money saved I can afford super cool things like.... food? shelter?

Today's society is one of conspicuous consumption, people are living far beyond their means. I take great pride in living within my means without having to sacrifice or alienate myself among my peer group. Superficial? Sure. But at least I'm not silly enough to spend all my income trying to be stylish.

/rant

PS - I actually have an interesting situation with a Chinese company... I may be getting scammed (such sweet irony).

I was very cautious in placing an order, or sending any money - so they sent me the first goods (Max $65) COD. I was told (via MSN) that any purchases subsequent would require the money first.

I received the goods within 12 days, (Nike Shox + Sunglasses) - they were of excellent quality.

When I went to wire the money via Western Union (to pay for the goods I'd received) I was surprised that W.U. charges $20 for the transfer.

Instead of just wiring the money for the goods received, I decided to include another order (to avoid another $20 fee). I placed another order (via msn) and I wired a total of $300 US for a variety of goods.

I did this yesterday.

I understand I'm taking the risk that the money is gone, whether I've been scammed or the items are seized at customs. Either way it will be a great lesson learned, and provided you're interested - sharing my experiences with the group.

Thanks and best Regards,

Toronto C

PPS - How I found this website was by doing a search on the domain (they are listed on this page).

PPPS - Sorry about the length of this post.

Submitted by chris on Thu, 2007-12-06 03:27.

No problems.   I'm not closely enough involved in counterfeiting circles to truly understand economic and social impact, I've read some OECD articles which all have valid points, and it certainly seems this is something government are encouraged to act upon.

It's a personal choice, I don't buy branded product either, but then I don't buy product either that is copied to look branded.  Fashion is a pretty foreign concept to me anyway :)  

Do I personally care that others are trying to knowingly buy counterfeit items ?  Couldn't care less, but it's in my interests to maintain that belief on the blog.   In the pursuit of these items that people are being ripped off, some thousands of dollars.  Their desire for the items precedes common sense.   I'm not going to help anyone buy counterfeit items, as until these scammers are put away, the risk is far too great.

Some light reading

article 1

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Submitted by rzimnhjfk (not verified) on Thu, 2008-03-27 14:59.

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Submitted by Flyn (not verified) on Thu, 2007-12-06 15:35.

I want to know if www.basicreplica.com is a legit site and business in selling replica handbags???

I would appreciate any "heads up" before I but anything from there! Thanks.

Submitted by chris on Mon, 2007-12-10 03:15.

Replicas are counterfeit, so a "heads up" is that customs might not want you receiving these goods :)

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Fri, 2007-12-07 01:31.

Have anyone bought from jordan23jordan.com?

Submitted by chris on Mon, 2007-12-10 03:14.

They are using logos for TRUSTe, BBB, and ScanSafe, none of which are actually genuine. That is very odd considering they have Google Checkout.

I've emailed Google Checkout people and will see what they say (if anything)

I don't believe for a minute the goods are legitimate though

 

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sun, 2008-01-20 07:52.

can someone please lodge a complain for abuse of the above logos by jordan23jordan.com.

they must be stopped. 520706 people and counting.

Submitted by sharon (not verified) on Fri, 2007-12-07 13:16.

Hello Chris:
Thank you so much for all the internet shopping safety tricks. We are very appreciate for your effort and times.
There's one thing i need to ask your opinient,can you please check up for me the website called MKenterprice.com ,their office is at HK and UK, is this another scammer too,can you please kindly email me back to let me know.

hips of thanks
Sharon
07/12/07

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